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    revolutionman
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    PostPosted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 3:44 pm Reply with quote

    I am not sure about this global warming deal. I am not sure who to believe at all really. But I do not live in the United States either. One thing I know for sure, is as of last year it was definetly weird that snow was falling in parts of Texas, when in Southern Ontario there was decent warm fall like weather. Or how this year there was barely any snow or many days that reached past -17, when California and other states got slammed by frigid cold and snow storms. This is a trend that has only occurred in recent years. Very strange. It's probably hotter in parts of Southern Ontario during the summer now then a lot of places south of the border. Whether that is due to this "global warming" who knows, but it is definetly a recent trend IMO.
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    PostPosted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 4:47 pm Reply with quote

    revolutionman wrote:
    I am not sure about this global warming deal. I am not sure who to believe at all really. But I do not live in the United States either. One thing I know for sure, is as of last year it was definetly weird that snow was falling in parts of Texas, when in Southern Ontario there was decent warm fall like weather. Or how this year there was barely any snow or many days that reached past -17, when California and other states got slammed by frigid cold and snow storms. This is a trend that has only occurred in recent years. Very strange. It's probably hotter in parts of Southern Ontario during the summer now then a lot of places south of the border. Whether that is due to this "global warming" who knows, but it is definetly a recent trend IMO.


    Global warming is not about where snow falls in a particular year, what area has rain or not, it's about long-term trends.

    Human global warming is another issue, and yet there is no sustainable evidence to support it, since the HGW mongers still cling to their hockey stick model that has been clearly shown to be in great error.

    Human global warming alarmists fail to understand the facts, and really neither care nor want to understand what is true. Like other radicals, they are addicted to their passion overwhelmingly needing to feel like moral warriors for a cause they really have no idea in comprehending. The oddest aspect of ecoradicals is that they are addicted to the fight, and really don't care about the results of what really spawn from misguided actions and visions of hardline movements that end up hurting everyone.

    The other type of alarmist is the Al Gore type, who sees colossal money in the scam. He'll say anything to push his financial ripoff, not caring whatsoever how it will destroy the economy, forcing jobs overseas in overburdening power and consumer industry providers with excessive taxation. He's personally made way over 100 million dollars in this
    false punditry in pushing this hoax. Oh, go green ... count that green money!
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    PostPosted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 10:16 pm Reply with quote

    Well I certainly do not fall into either of those categories if that is what you are getting at. I'm sure you are not, and what you have stated is very true however. I am just pointing out something that has happened in the short term, and like I stated, I do not even know if I believe in global warming. I also do not know enough facts to truly understand the situation if there is one. I absolutely agree about these insane Gore type characters gaining profit over this. It is incredibly sickening. Get your global warming and 100% recycled t-shirts here!
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    PostPosted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 10:38 pm Reply with quote

    Excellent advice, giving Obama some schooling in moderacy, and the Western tradition of liberty, over 400 years old, that is threatened by far left socialism.

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    PostPosted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 11:07 pm Reply with quote

    Graviton wrote:
    Global warming is not about where snow falls in a particular year, what area has rain or not, it's about long-term trends.


    I agree with Grav (which is rare enough Wink ). We had an unusualy cold winter too in Switzerland. But such an extreme weather event doesn't disprove climate change, neither does an extremely hot sommer prove it. What can be said is, that as gw proceeds, extreme weather events of all sorts are likely going to occur more often than in the past.
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    PostPosted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 11:16 pm Reply with quote

    bueschu wrote:
    Graviton wrote:
    Global warming is not about where snow falls in a particular year, what area has rain or not, it's about long-term trends.


    I agree with Grav (which is rare enough Wink ). We had an unusualy cold winter too in Switzerland. But such an extreme weather event doesn't disprove climate change, neither does an extremely hot sommer prove it. What can be said is, that as gw proceeds, extreme weather events of all sorts are likely going to occur more often than in the past.


    Such is also not an excuse to promote the unsustained, hoax-filled human global warming concept.

    Truthfully, the world temperature has been decreasing since 1998, despite the explosive rise in coal use by India, China, and elsewhere.
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    PostPosted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 3:26 pm Reply with quote

    Graviton wrote:
    Truthfully, the world temperature has been decreasing since 1998, despite the explosive rise in coal use by India, China, and elsewhere.


    Rather not. At least not according to this NOAA-curve and this australian Q&A. However the second link inidicates that a slight cooling has indeed occured during the last 4 years, and that it might continue for the next couple of years. But the long term trend is still pointing upwards.
    One reason why the global temperatures might be slightly decreasing are in fact Indias and Chinas increasing coal use: Especially the chinese coal-plants are quite old-fashioned. They release the smoke practically unfiltered - and they do so by the thousands as you can see on this satelite picture. Now the soot in this smoke is blocking the sunlight, similar to volcanic ashes for example.
    On a larger scale this effect is known as global dimming. Since the 1990s this effect has begun to diminish as plants in the western industrialised nations became cleaner soot-wise. But the extremely swift rise of China and India might once more strenghten the effect in the near future.
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    PostPosted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 6:32 pm Reply with quote

    Graviton wrote:
    Excellent advice, giving Obama some schooling in moderacy, and the Western tradition of liberty, over 400 years old, that is threatened by far left socialism.



    LOL that's awesome. If only some American administration adopted a health care system like in Canada, decades ago, this whole mess could have somewhat maybe possibly been avoided.
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    PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 9:28 pm Reply with quote

    revolutionman wrote:
    LOL that's awesome. If only some American administration adopted a health care system like in Canada, decades ago, this whole mess could have somewhat maybe possibly been avoided.


    I agree. If a system similar to that in Canada or Europe had been installed gradually over the past three decades, there wouldn't be almost 50 Million Americans without health care now. The problem is: In the US there's a traditional distrust in everything that involves the state. Look at the arguments in the current debate: The opponents of the reform call it 'socialist', which is quite bizarre from an european perspective, since even in very conservative countries it is clear, that the state has to provide at least a minimum of health care for people who cannot afford a private insurance.
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    PostPosted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 3:23 am Reply with quote

    bueschu wrote:
    revolutionman wrote:
    LOL that's awesome. If only some American administration adopted a health care system like in Canada, decades ago, this whole mess could have somewhat maybe possibly been avoided.


    I agree. If a system similar to that in Canada or Europe had been installed gradually over the past three decades, there wouldn't be almost 50 Million Americans without health care now. The problem is: In the US there's a traditional distrust in everything that involves the state. Look at the arguments in the current debate: The opponents of the reform call it 'socialist', which is quite bizarre from an european perspective, since even in very conservative countries it is clear, that the state has to provide at least a minimum of health care for people who cannot afford a private insurance.


    Right, and in Obama's speech last night he referred to the Canadian health care system, but categorizing it from the leftist point of view. Obviously we are run by the Conservatives right now. Democrats in the U.S. more closely resemble our Liberals. But the opinion of health care here in Canada won't change or come into question in such a manner it currently is in the U.S. All three major parties at this point will continue to adopt the same health care system, and no one is calling anyone a socialist within the media or between parties on this issue.
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    PostPosted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 8:48 pm Reply with quote

    revolutionman wrote:
    bueschu wrote:
    revolutionman wrote:
    LOL that's awesome. If only some American administration adopted a health care system like in Canada, decades ago, this whole mess could have somewhat maybe possibly been avoided.


    I agree. If a system similar to that in Canada or Europe had been installed gradually over the past three decades, there wouldn't be almost 50 Million Americans without health care now. The problem is: In the US there's a traditional distrust in everything that involves the state. Look at the arguments in the current debate: The opponents of the reform call it 'socialist', which is quite bizarre from an european perspective, since even in very conservative countries it is clear, that the state has to provide at least a minimum of health care for people who cannot afford a private insurance.


    Right, and in Obama's speech last night he referred to the Canadian health care system, but categorizing it from the leftist point of view. Obviously we are run by the Conservatives right now. Democrats in the U.S. more closely resemble our Liberals. But the opinion of health care here in Canada won't change or come into question in such a manner it currently is in the U.S. All three major parties at this point will continue to adopt the same health care system, and no one is calling anyone a socialist within the media or between parties on this issue.


    Not correct.

    The independents now outrank Republicans or Democrats, because of the moderate backlash against those hardliner who took over the corrupt parties.

    Obama now sees a threat of this backlash against his hardline liberal core, with his party getting their butts VOTED OUT in 2010 elections. Obama will be the lamest duck president in history if he keeps his far left stance. He also risks imploding the entire Democratic party with his hardline left nutjobs running his sinister policies from the shadows, like Cass Sunstein, Holdren, and other lunatics.

    By the way, the Canadian socialist medical system is imploding, says it's top director. Let's drop the total nonsense about Canadian health care superiority.


    Top doctor says system 'imploding'

    August 16, 2009

    Jennifer Graham
    THE CANADIAN PRESS

    SASKATOON–The incoming president of the Canadian Medical Association says Canada's health-care system is sick and doctors need to develop a plan to cure it.

    Dr. Anne Doig says patients are getting less than optimal care, and she adds that physicians from across the country – who will gather in Saskatoon today for their annual meeting – recognize that changes must be made.

    "We all agree that the system is imploding, we all agree that things are more precarious than perhaps Canadians realize," Doig told The Canadian Press.

    "We know that there must be change," she said. "We're all running flat out, we're all just trying to stay ahead of the immediate day-to-day demands."

    The pitch for change at the conference is to start with a presentation from Dr. Robert Ouellet, the current president of the CMA, who has said there's a critical need to make Canada's health-care system patient-centred. He will present details from his fact-finding trip to Europe in January, where he met with health groups in England, Denmark, Belgium, the Netherlands and France.

    His thoughts on the issue are already clear. Ouellet has been saying since his return that "a health-care revolution has passed us by," that it's possible to make wait lists disappear while maintaining universal coverage and "that competition should be welcomed, not feared."

    In other words, Ouellet believes there could be a role for private health-care delivery within the public system.

    He has also said the Canadian system could be restructured to focus on patients if hospitals and health-care institutions received funding based on the patients they treat, instead of an annual, lump-sum budget.

    This "activity-based funding" would be an incentive to provide more efficient care, he has said.

    Doig says she doesn't know what a proposed "blueprint" toward patient-centred care might look like when the meeting wraps up Wednesday. She'd like to emerge with clear directions about where the association should focus efforts to direct change.

    "A short-term achievable goal would be to accelerate the process of getting electronic medical records into physicians' offices," she said.

    A long-term goal would be getting health systems "talking to each other," so information can be quickly shared to help patients.
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    PostPosted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 10:10 pm Reply with quote

    The so-called "moderates": Do you mean those people who wave Obama=Hitler-banners infront of town-hall-meetings? Or accuse him of promoting euthanasia? I don't know if they represent a majority of Obamas opponents, but they're certainly the loudest ones.

    I'm not an expert when it comes to the candian system, but here in Switzerland the system - which has a private and a public branch - works fairly well. Not that there weren't any financial worries, but a collapse is nowhere in sight for the next couple of years.

    About the US: You certainly agree that a country that aspires for world leadership can't afford 50 Million people without any sort of health care for a longer period of time. It would simply loose its credibility. So, what do you propose? I mean, the american system is already totally competition-based, as far as I know, and it's still collapsing. So less state is almost impossible.
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    PostPosted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 12:10 am Reply with quote

    bueschu wrote:
    The so-called "moderates": Do you mean those people who wave Obama=Hitler-banners infront of town-hall-meetings? Or accuse him of promoting euthanasia? I don't know if they represent a majority of Obamas opponents, but they're certainly the loudest ones.

    I'm not an expert when it comes to the candian system, but here in Switzerland the system - which has a private and a public branch - works fairly well. Not that there weren't any financial worries, but a collapse is nowhere in sight for the next couple of years.

    About the US: You certainly agree that a country that aspires for world leadership can't afford 50 Million people without any sort of health care for a longer period of time. It would simply loose its credibility. So, what do you propose? I mean, the american system is already totally competition-based, as far as I know, and it's still collapsing. So less state is almost impossible.


    Oh, I can go on and on and on ... with this one.

    Those people are calling attention to the extremists that Obama has gathered as his cloest advisors, as well as books penned by Obama his self- telling of his own deep bonds with political radicalism/extremism.

    People with the substantial votes to elect Obama did NOT vote for Obama the extremist, but by default of his sole opposition to remaining in Iraq, and the colossal waste of money in such an enterprise.

    There is no way to see Obama as anything BUT an extremist inside, when he gathers so many militants and lunatics as his closest advisors, some of them with criminal records, such as Van Jones, who resigned last week for opening his mouth too much, such as proposing to give all the nation's wealth to native Americans and blacks.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlOv8RCkcXE#t=10m20s

    Van Jones wants to vengefully punish all white people and give the most power to illegals (his so-called "immigrant brothers"). People outside USA don't have a clue about this easily understood code for vengeance against USA whites. Jones vehemently considers his vision of a green economy as a radical social movement to put down whites in USA society, supported by his many articles and speeches about this topic. He is all about "social cleansing" in taking away wealth and political influence from whites, just for the reason of whites being whites as a longtime majority, despite the fact that whites made the most critical steps in evolving to give minorities equal rights in our legal system. Notice his calling for a coalition of "every color," while knowing that "all people of color" clearly defined as non-whites, "to change everything" in ganging up against whites.

    Again, Jones is among Obama's closest advisors, now receding to his shady work in the background, out of the spotlight, yet just as active. Obama has been a friend of Jones ever since his violence-inspiring, radical work in California that led to his brief time in jail.

    Therefore those posters about nazis and communists are deserved criticisms of Obama acting the autocrat, because Obama has hired multiples of his closest advisors who DO advocate ruthless -- totally in line with practices of Hitler's -- population culling, including assorted books seriously proposing about putting chemical sterilizers into drinking water, and underhandedly without public knowledge (such as from his closest science advisor), and forced sterilization of couples after having two children. Obama shows autocratic behavior with his party's leadership talking about forcing through policies in Congress, without any sort of genuine bipartisan approval, while corruption roars inside Congress and the White House.
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    PostPosted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 6:44 pm Reply with quote

    Graviton wrote:
    revolutionman wrote:
    bueschu wrote:
    revolutionman wrote:
    LOL that's awesome. If only some American administration adopted a health care system like in Canada, decades ago, this whole mess could have somewhat maybe possibly been avoided.


    I agree. If a system similar to that in Canada or Europe had been installed gradually over the past three decades, there wouldn't be almost 50 Million Americans without health care now. The problem is: In the US there's a traditional distrust in everything that involves the state. Look at the arguments in the current debate: The opponents of the reform call it 'socialist', which is quite bizarre from an european perspective, since even in very conservative countries it is clear, that the state has to provide at least a minimum of health care for people who cannot afford a private insurance.


    Right, and in Obama's speech last night he referred to the Canadian health care system, but categorizing it from the leftist point of view. Obviously we are run by the Conservatives right now. Democrats in the U.S. more closely resemble our Liberals. But the opinion of health care here in Canada won't change or come into question in such a manner it currently is in the U.S. All three major parties at this point will continue to adopt the same health care system, and no one is calling anyone a socialist within the media or between parties on this issue.


    Not correct.

    The independents now outrank Republicans or Democrats, because of the moderate backlash against those hardliner who took over the corrupt parties.

    Obama now sees a threat of this backlash against his hardline liberal core, with his party getting their butts VOTED OUT in 2010 elections. Obama will be the lamest duck president in history if he keeps his far left stance. He also risks imploding the entire Democratic party with his hardline left nutjobs running his sinister policies from the shadows, like Cass Sunstein, Holdren, and other lunatics.

    By the way, the Canadian socialist medical system is imploding, says it's top director. Let's drop the total nonsense about Canadian health care superiority.


    Top doctor says system 'imploding'

    August 16, 2009

    Jennifer Graham
    THE CANADIAN PRESS

    SASKATOON–The incoming president of the Canadian Medical Association says Canada's health-care system is sick and doctors need to develop a plan to cure it.

    Dr. Anne Doig says patients are getting less than optimal care, and she adds that physicians from across the country – who will gather in Saskatoon today for their annual meeting – recognize that changes must be made.

    "We all agree that the system is imploding, we all agree that things are more precarious than perhaps Canadians realize," Doig told The Canadian Press.

    "We know that there must be change," she said. "We're all running flat out, we're all just trying to stay ahead of the immediate day-to-day demands."

    The pitch for change at the conference is to start with a presentation from Dr. Robert Ouellet, the current president of the CMA, who has said there's a critical need to make Canada's health-care system patient-centred. He will present details from his fact-finding trip to Europe in January, where he met with health groups in England, Denmark, Belgium, the Netherlands and France.

    His thoughts on the issue are already clear. Ouellet has been saying since his return that "a health-care revolution has passed us by," that it's possible to make wait lists disappear while maintaining universal coverage and "that competition should be welcomed, not feared."

    In other words, Ouellet believes there could be a role for private health-care delivery within the public system.

    He has also said the Canadian system could be restructured to focus on patients if hospitals and health-care institutions received funding based on the patients they treat, instead of an annual, lump-sum budget.

    This "activity-based funding" would be an incentive to provide more efficient care, he has said.

    Doig says she doesn't know what a proposed "blueprint" toward patient-centred care might look like when the meeting wraps up Wednesday. She'd like to emerge with clear directions about where the association should focus efforts to direct change.

    "A short-term achievable goal would be to accelerate the process of getting electronic medical records into physicians' offices," she said.

    A long-term goal would be getting health systems "talking to each other," so information can be quickly shared to help patients.


    Sorry I didn't realize you have the answers to everything though you don't live in Canada. My mistake.
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    PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 3:20 am Reply with quote

    These days the men's point of view would get them in trouble. Wink

    Notice how the British Empire went to hell when that nasty socialist economist Keynes started to become popular -- with addiction to ever-extending debt that caught on in USA through Keynes' partner Galbraith -- and the mesmerized public threw them the keys to the public money.

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