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    Mack Bolan
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    PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 2:28 am Reply with quote

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    altair7
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    PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 2:57 am Reply with quote

    Here is a Photo showingthe Bomb and the Explosion, and an Article. Shocked


    Here it is.


    http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2007/09/12/1189276752243.html
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    PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 4:52 am Reply with quote

    http://www.reuters.com/news/video/videoStory?videoId=66263&newsChannel=worldNews
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    PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 12:57 pm Reply with quote

    I suppose a conventional arms race isnt quite so troubling. I put this on the frontpage, nice find guys.
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    PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 8:42 pm Reply with quote

    Ho-hum. A new thermobaric bomb. You can see the vapor dispersion of a dark cloud immediately before the bomb detonates, marking the clear concept of a thermobaric bomb increasing explosive efficiency through huge dispersion, optimizing its burning.

    It's far from any concept of a vacuum bomb, which would be explosive DEcompression, which is not really an explosion. Explosions generate COMPRESSION shockwaves. The only vacuum is very shortly after the first dispersion explosion wave that spreads the explosive mist before a flammable device ignites it.

    Silly people call it a vacuum bomb anyway. FORGET IT being a vacuum bomb, despite its false claims of difference.

    Keep in mind that Russian news regularly covers UFOs and and other false statements. Putie also shut down any independent media in Russia, serving only to impress the outside world with government propaganda that cannot be reasonably challenged from within Russia.

    VIDEO LINK

    Looking at the misplaced semantics games, IBN may as well as well brag about the BRITNEY BOMB:

    How Britney bombed at MTV Awards

    By IBNLive.com

    Designed to drum up excitement for her upcoming album, Britney Spears' kickoff to the MTV Video Music Awards on Sunday night became another example of how far she has fallen. It would have been understandable if MTV's show had been crushed under the weight of the opening fiasco yet somehow it rebounded, and even flourished.
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    PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 9:53 pm Reply with quote

    Big bombs are always interesting imo, and that video had already been posted Grav.
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    PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 11:05 pm Reply with quote

    What explosives were used? I'm guessing it's Astrolite A-15, the world's most powerful non-nuclear explosive.
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    Graviton
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    PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 11:21 pm Reply with quote

    sonicbomb wrote:
    Big bombs are always interesting imo, and that video had already been posted Grav.


    It's for the sake of not having to hunt for a link, since I referred to it. Why state the obvious when convenience is a positive?

    A disturbing issue is who has this new level of FAE (fuel air explosive) bomb. Putie continued the Second Chechnya War after he declared it as part of his campaign in entering office in December of 1999. In 2000 he led the nation in the seizure of Grozny that lured people out of the city in supposedly free passage to another, nearby town. The Putiepeople in the Russian government ended up giving the green light to using thermobaric bombs and preplanted mines on many, noncombative civilians as they evacuated in a pre-negotiated deal.

    Let's back up just a tiny bit more to October 1999, when the Yeltsinners decided to rocket the central market and hospital of Grozny with five SS-21 ballistic missiles, killing 150 people. Was Putie busy giving Judo lessons to adoring, underprivileged children before rising to President? No, he was the chief of the FSB, the smiley faced renaming of the same crooked KGB of the Cold War.

    Putie's cabinet is stocked with formerly named KGB colleagues.

    Meet Mister Nice Guy:



    Anecdote clarifying Mr. Nice Guy's character in dealing with political rivals in the so-called democracy-friendly years -- the [] comments are mine:

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    In April 1999, then FSB Chief Vladimir Putin and Interior Minister Sergei Stepashin held a televised press conference in which they discussed a video that had aired nationwide March 17 on the state-controlled Russia TV channel which showed a naked man very similar Skuratov, in bed with two young women. Putin claimed that expert FSB analysis proved the man on the tape to be Skuratov and that the orgy had been paid for by persons investigated for criminal offences.

    Skuratov had been adversarial toward President Yeltsin and had been aggressively investigating government corruption [in which 15 billion dollars of International Money Fund aid had disappeared, and whose investigation Putie immediately called off].


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    I'm guessing it's Astrolite A-15, the world's most powerful non-nuclear explosive.


    Thermobaric bombs are low viscosity slurries combined with staged dispersion and latent detonation triggering.

    Astrolite is a liquid slurry contender, cheap and not so easy to make -- with safety in mind, since some base ingredients are VERY dangerous -- and relatively safe to handle with skilled, responsible hands.

    Idiots and their ideas that make this stuff so dangerous in non-military use, so as to be properly banned from the public without licenses.

    Someone just had to protect the secrets of explosives Wink

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONcp0t4hfP4
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    PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 5:33 pm Reply with quote

    Here we go. In a rare step against the recent years of the Associated Press tradition of siding with propaganda of foreign nasties like Hamas and other crooked forces, the AP took the rational step of decoding the Russian bluster of propaganda in identifying it as a thermobaric bomb.


    Russia tests 'dad of all bombs'

    Thu September 13, 2007

    MOSCOW, Russia (AP) -- The Russian military has successfully tested what it described as the world's most powerful non-nuclear air-delivered bomb, Russia's state television reported Tuesday.

    It was the latest show of Russia's military muscle amid chilly relations with the United States.

    Channel One television said the new weapon, nicknamed the "dad of all bombs" is four times more powerful than the U.S. "mother of all bombs."

    "The tests have shown that the new air-delivered ordnance is comparable to a nuclear weapon in its efficiency and capability," said Col.-Gen. Alexander Rukshin, a deputy chief of the Russian military's General Staff, said in televised remarks. VideoWatch Russian bomb test

    Unlike a nuclear weapon, the bomb doesn't hurt the environment, he added.

    The statement reflected the Kremlin's efforts to restore Russia's global clout and rebuild the nation's military might while the ties with Washington have been strained over U.S. criticism of Russia's backsliding on democracy, Moscow's vociferous protests of U.S. missile defense plans, and rifts over global crises.

    The U.S. Massive Ordnance Air Blast, nicknamed the Mother Of All Bombs, is a large-yield satellite-guided, air-delivered bomb described as the most powerful non-nuclear weapon in history.

    Channel One said that while the Russian bomb contains 7.8 tons of high explosives compared to more than 8 tons of explosives in the U.S. bomb, it's four times more powerful because it uses a new, highly efficient type of explosives that the report didn't identify.

    While the U.S. bomb is equivalent to 11 tons of TNT, the Russian one is equivalent to 44 tons of regular explosives. The Russian weapon's blast radius is 990 feet, twice as big as that of the U.S. design, the report said.

    Like its U.S. predecessor, first tested in 2003, the Russian bomb is a "thermobaric" weapon that explodes in an intense fireball combined with a devastating blast. It explodes in a terrifying nuclear bomb-like mushroom cloud and wreaks destruction through a massive shock wave created by the air burst and high temperature.

    Thermobaric weapons work on the same principle that causes blasts in grain elevators and other dusty places -- clouds of fine particles are highly explosive. Such explosions produce shock waves that can be directed and amplified in enclosed spaces such as buildings, caves or tunnels.

    Channel One said that the temperature in the epicenter of the Russian bomb's explosion is twice as high as that of the U.S. bomb.

    The report showed the bomb dropped by parachute from a Tu-160 strategic bomber and exploding in a massive fireball. It featured the debris of apartment buildings and armored vehicles at a test range, as well as the scorched ground from a massive blast.

    It didn't give the bomb's military name or say when it was tested.

    Rukshin said the new bomb would allow the military to "protect the nation's security and confront international terrorism in any situation and any region."

    "We have got a relatively cheap ordnance with a high strike power," Yuri Balyko, head of the Defense Ministry's institute in charge of weapons design, told Channel One.

    Booming oil prices have allowed Russia to steadily increase military spending in recent years, and the Kremlin has taken a more assertive posture in global affairs.

    Last month, President Vladimir Putin said he ordered the resumption of regular patrols of strategic bombers, which were suspended after the 1991 Soviet breakup.
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    Jenci
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    PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 6:16 pm Reply with quote

    Guys, it looks like we have some confusion here. Thermobaric and FAE bombs are different kind of animals. FAE (Fuel-Air Explosive) was first, then came thermobaric. In FAE the "explosive" is not a real explosive, but a kind of hydrocarbon, or atomized metal (aluminum for, example), or any material that doesn't contain much or any oxidizer component. There are two charges: the first disperses the non-explosive, which mixes with the surrounding air, making an explosion-capable large volume of mixture in several hundred microseconds (depending on the weight). The second charges then ignites the mixture, creating a huge blast, plus overpressure, blah-blah...

    But this system is not 100% reliable, because of the inhomogenity in the mixture, the location of the second charge in the vapor, the environmental conditions, and so on.

    In thermobaric weapons there is a special explosive, which has its own oxidizer, but more fuel than the stochiometric ratio. So it has a fuel-rich explosive and only one charge, which ignites the explosive. When this explosive detonates, the remaining fuel, which can't burn by the oxidizer superheats, and reacts with the surrounding air, and KA-BOOOM, another blast wave have been created, and game over.
    The fuel of the TB is mainly metal powder (atomized of couse): aluminum, or fluorized aluminum (in the SMAW-NE), or anything else.
    The velocity of the blast waves are less in FAE than in TB.

    The ex-commies has several variations of these kind of hardware: there are free-fall bombs like the ODAB-series (ODAB for "Obyemno-Detoniruyushchiya Aviatsionnaya Bomba" - Volume-Detonation Airborne Bomb) which is FAE bombs AFAIK; then there are TB - "Thermobaricheskij" warheads for hand-held grenade launchers such as the TBG-7 ("Thermobaricheskij Granat -7") grenade for the RPG-7V1 launcher and the reactive flamethrower (RPO-A).

    Everyone can see on the video, that the explosive was dispersed before detonation, so the device is FAE, not TB.
    I bet, the "Dad of All Bombs" have the official designation of ODAB-9000, respect to its weight.
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    PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 7:01 pm Reply with quote

    That's a good point you brought up, Jenci.

    Thermobaric is defined through it's component names of destructive technique -- thermo = heat, baric = pressure -- is it not? It's enhanced fireball heat and explosive volume and resulting pressure wave destruction technique maximized through dispersion with surrounding atmosphere.

    I will agree to the fact that the technical difference between earlier FAE technology and later thermobaric devices is the addition of usually aluminum or Teflon powders, as well as an oxidizing agent -- especially necessary for penetrated bunkers and caves that do not have an abundance of atmosphere. However, the name thermobaric enhances the heat contribution of the enhanced fireball's added fuel to heat emission to the resulting explosive wave, and overall size factor important to its maximum punch, using an explosive dispersed into the atmosphere (not ground of a) vicinity.

    Much more powerful thermobaric bombs improve on FAEs in destruction with much wider and efficient dispersion of ignitable fuels requiring the additional components to detonate this much more explosive (energy emission to mass) slurry. The larger volume in the open also creates a much longer wavelength blastwave (carrying much more pulverizing power).

    Therefore I defined the thermobaric bomb as a superset device of an FAE as an improved fuel air explosive, since they work on the staged dispersion and latent detonation of an explosive fuel or combination of fuels and oxidizers for maximum destruction.

    My basic point is that a thermobaric bomb is an improved fuel air explosive, since the fuel is airborne immediately before ignition, and not on the ground during detonation.

    More info: http://www.military.com/features/0,15240,145298,00.html


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    PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 7:01 pm Reply with quote

    Thanks for clarifying that Jenci.
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    PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 12:55 am Reply with quote

    Do you know what's scary? In the Cold War, Russia tested the world's largest nuclear bomb, and now, they tested the world's largest non-nuclear bomb. Russia's goin' BIG!
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    PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 12:57 am Reply with quote

    The "Father Of All Bombs" woulda been the Mafiya's DREAM...
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