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    Teller25
    Cherokee (3.8 mt)


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    PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 6:06 pm Reply with quote

    I want to know why do you guys think there are there so many hundreds of gravity nuclear bombs in B-52´s bases (Minot, Barksdale), like the B-61 and B-83, if they wont be able to penetrate defensive systems of Russia, China, Iran or North Korea, are they planning to use them against defenseless nations, or they will use them to annihilate any remaining city after a First missile strike against any of these countries? Shocked
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    PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 7:32 pm Reply with quote

    Thats a really good question.
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    Graviton
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    PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 8:56 pm Reply with quote

    This is biased and cynical to assume these bombs would be used for "defenseless" nations, and without definition of what "defenseless" means. In a nuclear world of cruise missiles, even USA stands to be defenseless in many ways.

    Iran can do terrible harm to other nations, for instance, whether economically or territorially in military or political turmoil, and ethnic violence spreading into neighboring countries. Iran has cruise missiles too.
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    Teller25
    Cherokee (3.8 mt)


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    PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 3:09 pm Reply with quote

    I just wonder under which circumstances and against whom would you use 50 year old subsonic bombers, with a huge radar cross section, armed with nuclear gravity bombs.
    I mean “defenseless” a nation without any SAM capabilities, I don’t find that massive multi-billion dollar system to be useful for anything else than to nuke cities of a nuclear power already military devastated by a first missile strike, or to destroy targets that they don’t consider to worth even a cruise missile or a stealth bomber, in a nation which is unable to defend their territory. Since I have strong doubts they’ll be sending them against Europe, Australia, or Japan, and if you send them against Russia, China, North Korea, or even Iran, they would hit the ground long before being above their intended targets, that leaves us only with the rest of the world, scary! Shocked
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    fastfission
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    PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 12:28 am Reply with quote

    The US has nearly 10,000 nuclear warheads at 18 locations in 12 states and six European countries. See the article from Grav's favourite nuclear think tank at:

    http://www.fas.org/blog/ssp/2006/11/new_article_where_the_bombs_ar.php

    Cool link to a Google Earth tour of facilities on this page with locations, types and quantities.

    In 1998 the costs of all this were estimated at $5.5 Trillion. See

    http://www.brookings.edu/fp/projects/nucwcost/silverberg.htm

    Maybe it's time to reep that peace dividend and instead invest in a national health service, state pension scheme, 35 hour week etc. Whaddya reckon Grav? Laughing

    Feel ze socialism....
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    Graviton
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    PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 7:46 am Reply with quote

    Quote:
    Whaddya reckon Grav?


    Chasing the socialists through the messes they create everywhere. Take out the socialist trash.



    Some vintage history ... a National Socialist (Europe) Buster at work:

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    fastfission
    Cherokee (3.8 mt)


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    PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 10:12 am Reply with quote

    Classic Laughing

    Great pictures. Where does the first (colour) picture with the JCB or such like come from?
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    Graviton
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    PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 6:18 pm Reply with quote

    fastfission wrote:
    Classic Laughing

    Great pictures. Where does the first (colour) picture with the JCB or such like come from?


    I edited it after a Google search, to clarify my sentiments.

    You should worry about ... like these, politically smooching over some vintage red late nights together, before the roaring fire of selfish, egotistical self-promotion, kindled by intolerance of sensible moderacy resisting the grip of a small socialist elite seeing theirselves fit to tell everyone else what to think and do.

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    fastfission
    Cherokee (3.8 mt)


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    PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 10:45 pm Reply with quote

    Looks like we will be stuck with Livingstone for a while longer, still seems favourite to win the London mayoral elections next year. Democracy - the tyranny of the majority!

    The Tories have promised to scrap the bendybus and bring back the Routemaster. I know who will get my vote.....

    Out:



    In (again):



    Vote Conservative!


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    Graviton
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    PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 11:55 pm Reply with quote

    Quote:
    Democracy - the tyranny of the majority!


    Does the bus issue drive lefty londoners to c'-c'-c'conser'-conservatives? I know that's hard for many londoners to spit out. Laughing

    As most know, democracy is not the majority vote. It is a system of free thinking, emphasizing moderacy without pressures from such as central powers, tribal, and other deeply embedded polemics. It also emphasizes the rights and interests of individuals within moderate values respecting both moderately liberal and conservative interests, healthy for open debate and policymaking.
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    fastfission
    Cherokee (3.8 mt)


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    PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 1:12 am Reply with quote

    Not just buses. The hand-wringing pandering to unpleasant minorities, looney green crap like proposing to charge larger cars 25 quid a day just to drive, free travel for gangs of marauding Lord-of-the-Flies style kids produced by the bucket load by ghastly welfare driven inbred single moms with a chromosome or three too many, and the drive to build vast numbers of soon-to-be slum dwellings to house same courtesy of the taxpayer. All the factors should be taken into consideration. So not just buses..... Mad
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    Graviton
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    PostPosted: Sat Sep 08, 2007 4:02 pm Reply with quote

    At least somebody gets it, what I mean, yet there are too many foolish others out there who do not care about factual truth.

    Communism has become mixed in definition with socialism in these times, but the only difference between communism and socialism is that communism focuses on an agricultural economy while socialism is an industrial economy controlled by a small number of elites tapping into the resources of extremely corruptive forces defined in socialism having far too much control by a small elite.

    This is how Chirac makes illegal money far beyond his officially stated means, such as involvement with their national oil industry's (ELF's) bribery schemes, among others. He has been observed to spend more than 1 million equivalent US dollars per month in lavishness, which his official family income could never support.

    Graviton


    How persistent can a failed ideology be?

    Published: 27th August 2007 18:01 CET
    Online: http://www.thelocal.se/8304/

    Ninety percent of Swedish students aged 15-20 do not know what a gulag was, and some still insist that schools should not teach about the crimes of communism. How long will the elites continue defending a failed ideology, asks Nima Sanandaji of think-tank Captus.

    A recent study by polling company Demoskop, commissioned by the 'Upplysning om Kommunismen' (Knowledge about Communism) association, showed that Swedish students have a skewed view of the history of communism. Few are aware of the massive loss of life caused by followers of this ideology, and 90 percent of Swedish students aged 15-20 do not even know what a gulag was.

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    A recent opinion piece in Biblioteksbladet magazine (a periodical for Swedish librarians) denounced the government's plan to spread knowledge to students about the horrors of communism.

    In the article, two school librarians write that informing students about the crimes of communism would be wrong as it would risk making the pupils' views more right-wing.

    Former foreign correspondent Kjell Albin Abrahamsson, who has spent many years reporting from the former communist countries in Europe, reacted strongly to the piece.

    Writing in tabloid Expressen, Abrahamsson points out how strange it is for two librarians to be so keen to preserve students' support for socialism that they are are not willing to acknowledge the crimes of communism. He notes that a Russian government commission has admitted that the country's former communist rulers killed 32 million people.

    Support for communism, both hidden and visible, is still quite prevalent among many groups of intellectuals, such as journalists, librarians and those writing in the culture pages of the daily papers. Indeed, outright supporters of communism can be found not only in the Swedish Left Party but also in the Green Party and in the ranks of the influential Social Democrats.

    One symptom of this tendency is the widely believed myth among Swedes that Cuba is a relatively prosperous welfare state, offering a decent quality of life and fantastic healthcare to its citizens. Few bother to question the official statistics from a communist country where thousands of citizens have lost their lives whilst attempting to escape on rafts to the United States. Cuba might have gone from being the richest country in Central American to being the second poorest due to Castro's rule – but this has not stopped Swedish intelligentsia from spreading a positive view of his policies.

    Similarly, Swedish journalists seem more interested in pointing out that Venezuela's Hugo Chavez is a morally superior socialist standing up to the vile Americans, than looking at his dubious moves towards a socialist planned economy and authoritarian rule.

    The socialist ideology is not only responsible for the deaths of upwards a 100 million individuals in the former communist countries, the oppression behind the iron curtain and widespread starvation in failed socialist economies. Socialist policies also account for much of the stagnation we see today in Africa, South America and the poorer countries of Asia. Indeed, the countries that today show the greatest rates of development are typically those who quite recently have abandoned socialism in favour of capitalism – India, China, Vietnam and many eastern European countries.

    Given communism's historical record, how long will the intellectual elites carry on defending such a failed ideology? How long will they keep giving moral support to radical left leaning youth organizations such as AFA, who are regularly involved in acts of violence? Shouldn’t modern socialism, if such an ideology is indeed needed, focus on welfare policies that can be combined with individual and economic liberty rather than nostalgia for Marxist class struggles?

    Nima Sanandaji is the president of the Swedish free market think tank Captus and publisher of the weekly online Swedish magazine Captus Tidning.
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    fastfission
    Cherokee (3.8 mt)


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    PostPosted: Sat Sep 08, 2007 4:37 pm Reply with quote

    Can't argue with that.

    Although its bound to be the same here. Given plummeting literacy and numeracy rates in UK state schools I am sure 90% of UK kids would be in the same boat re knowledge of Stalin's gulags. Although they would be fully up to speed on issues such as "awareness of climate change", the UK's role in the slave trade (but not the role of Muslim North Africans and Arabs) and "Diwali".

    As Antonio Gramsci said, for the left to win the political battle it first needs to win the cultural battle. That means re-drawing what is taught in schools and NewSpeak style restrictions on thought and language. Looks like they pretty much got there......Rolling Eyes

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    Blake
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    PostPosted: Sat Sep 08, 2007 7:35 pm Reply with quote

    fastfission wrote:
    re-drawing what is taught in schools and NewSpeak style restrictions on thought and language.

    FF



    Jeez, why does that sound so familiar?
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    Graviton
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    PostPosted: Sun Sep 09, 2007 12:00 am Reply with quote

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    Jeez, why does that sound so familiar?


    Where are you going with this one? Please be specific. There are many possible targets.
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