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    Graviton
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    PostPosted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 9:01 pm Reply with quote



    Pledging their devotion to their leader.

    Rolling Eyes

    Oh, the "Yes, we can"/Si se puede pledge common to Marxist socialist groups, including those pushing illegal aliens into USA, such as Gutierrez's A.N.S.W.E.R. movement, is chanted by the Obama Youth.

    http://shop.cafepress.com/si-se-puede?cmp=KAC-G-PO-E08-Barack_Obama&gclid=CM3Wx-3EmJYCFQFqxwodGRqqnw

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkNip8t4nB4
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    gerboisebleue
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    PostPosted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 11:48 am Reply with quote

    Graviton wrote:
    Pledging their devotion to their leader.
    Rolling Eyes
    Oh, the "Yes, we can"/Si se puede pledge common to Marxist socialist groups, including those pushing illegal aliens into USA, such as Gutierrez's A.N.S.W.E.R. movement, is chanted by the Obama Youth.
    http://shop.cafepress.com/si-se-puede?cmp=KAC-G-PO-E08-Barack_Obama&gclid=CM3Wx-3EmJYCFQFqxwodGRqqnw
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkNip8t4nB4


    (Sorry for my very bad english Embarassed )

    I hope that my words do not offend people!

    Why bring together Obama and extremist groups Marxists ?

    I do not understand the mentality of the Republicans to believe that the Democrats are extremists Marxist socialist!

    This is not because someone is in a left party, is that Marxist !

    I think the Republicans are trying to play on it, but do not play on lies.

    In France, if a left-wing government runs the country, that is not led by Marxist !

    Being "left" is not being Marxist!
    Socialist, not be a Marxist or communist!

    This witch hunt is stupid, like that of 1954!

    I am French, I'm in a "right" party, but I do not support mc cain (too extreme, for french standard Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes )

    and this futur vice president Rolling Eyes

    Sarah Palin............LOL........ Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

    I think Palin is a serious danger to the world. She said that .................... the men knew dinosaurs !....... Laughing Laughing ......... She wants to extract the oil in the highly protected aera of Alaska. She wants to allow free movement of weapons in usa. This woman is crazy and dangerous for the world, and more particularly for the USA

    definitely a mental gap between the "deeply" & "conservative" USA from the rest of the world, and this is not a good thing!

    I fucking terrorists, and I agree totally to combat, to fight terrorism all around the world

    But since 2003 (Iraq), the image of America in the world was extremely degraded!

    We must change this!

    This is not Mc Cain who can do that!

    Obama yes !

    I hope that my words do not offend people!
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    Graviton
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    PostPosted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 3:19 pm Reply with quote

    1. Obama is among the farthest left voters in the Senate.

    2. Obama is deeply socialist in his many statements and voting on record.

    3. Obama didn't care about how deeply damaging his actions were in selfishly pushing hardening of the bill that allowed extreme socialist interest groups like ACORN to sue any bank that would not give subprime loans to poor people who had no means of paying those loans, in the name of racism.

    4. Obama feeds such interest groups with money, including his approval in money received from the Annenberg group to feed an American terrorist's (William Ayer's) -- admitted by the accused his self as a leader of the Weather Underground that bombed Washington, DC, in his own admission and total lack of regret, but let off on a technicality because then-FBI leader Hoover did not get approval for the wiretap -- student radicalization programs across the country.

    Obama has personally worked with unrepentent Ayers on various projects with this known, self-admitted terrorist who got off on a technicality.

    5. On and on.

    Oh, yes, there are many connections.
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    Teller25
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    PostPosted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 4:21 pm Reply with quote

    Simply Ridiculous, only in the U.S. an amateur classroom video (probably conceibed by a local republican) can reach national attention, and shift from core national issues like the economy in the biggest crisis since 1929, or the Irak war, and for god sakes George Bush spent his vacations on Bin Laden's House and no one said anything, this is pure hypocrisy. The Republicans are totally desperate because they know there is no way they can possibly win the election (if it is clean of course)
    so the only card they have left is to scare people, and convincing them that Obama is a terrorist a Marxist, and of course is going to raise taxes, which is obviously not true, I'll be more concerned if I was an American and the Vicepresident was actually in favor of Alaska's Secession.



    Of course there are good reasons to vote Republican.

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    Graviton
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    PostPosted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 6:39 pm Reply with quote

    Teller25 wrote:
    Simply Ridiculous, only in the U.S. an amateur classroom video (probably conceibed by a local republican) can reach national attention, and shift from core national issues like the economy in the biggest crisis since 1929, or the Irak war, and for god sakes George Bush spent his vacations on Bin Laden's House and no one said anything, this is pure hypocrisy. The Republicans are totally desperate because they know there is no way they can possibly win the election (if it is clean of course)
    so the only card they have left is to scare people, and convincing them that Obama is a terrorist a Marxist, and of course is going to raise taxes, which is obviously not true, I'll be more concerned if I was an American and the Vicepresident was actually in favor of Alaska's Secession.

    >


    You are wildly incorrect again, Teller. You also ignore vast evidence against broader stability that your socialist ideology paves away with crude and imbalanced rejection.

    I never said either party was any better than the other, and both are to blame. Yet foolish people still elect these fools to such lofty positions without any consideration of how dangerous either campaign is. An example is how our elitists ignore the fact that more than 80% of USA voters demand US out of Iraq, yet the neocons on both sides demand that both parties push for the super expensive stay in Iraq.

    Both Biden and Palin are neocons, hawkish in their records of supporting actions in Iraq. Again, just like Joe Lieberman, minion of the Israeli Lobby, is a leading chair of the Democratic party's Homeland Security committee, while Joe is pushing for McCain's election. How dare these minions of Israeli foreign policy are elected. How dare that the top fundraiser for the Democratic party, Rahm Emanuel, number 4 power in all of Congress, also from Chicago (as Obama), served the Israeli Air Force during Gulf War I ... yes, he served a foreign nation's military as a volunteer mechanic, therefore officially serving as a minion of their military structure!

    My point is that so many foolishly believe there will be change for the better, and the idea of Obama is a thoughtless and desperate attempt of Americans to change our system run by elitist and incompetent fools on both sides.
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    PostPosted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 8:05 pm Reply with quote

    Grav is right to point out that it is foolish to think that Obama can or has the will to change everything that is wrong, but like me, millions all around the world love Obama because we belive he is far more capable to deliver some necessary changes than the McCain/Palin formula because they have the Bush Administrationīs people behind them.

    And he is right about Joe Liebermann, how he dares to be on McCain's side after he was the vicepresidential nominee by the Democratic Party, it is outrageous. Even though I deeply respect Israel, it was a shameful spectacle to see the Vicepresidential candidates of the most powerful nation on Earth fighting on the debate over who is more a servant of Israel, (and maybe Joe won that one Wink , in part because Palin maybe ignores where Israel is) both Obama and McCain know that if they donīt pursue Israeli interests even those that go against America's best interest their careers are over and that is the case for every politician on the U.S., also it is interesting to note how it is obviously forbidden for anyone with a dual citizenship to serve on the U.S. government except for Israeli Americans.


    http://www.viewzone.com/dualcitizen.html

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    Graviton
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    PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 1:58 am Reply with quote

    Tue October 7, 2008

    Ayers and Obama crossed paths on boards, records show

    By Drew Griffin and Kathleen Johnston
    CNN Special Investigations Unit

    CHICAGO, Illinois (CNN) -- More than 30 years ago, William Ayers was a fugitive leader of the Weather Underground, an antiwar terrorist group known for its bombings of police stations, the Pentagon and the U.S. Capitol.

    Today, he is back in the news, a central figure in a debate over character, judgment and associations in an increasingly bitter presidential race between Democratic Sen. Barack Obama and Republican Sen. John McCain.

    At issue is Obama's relationship with Ayers, an unrepentant radical who as late as 2001 said he wished he had done more to stop the Vietnam War. After years on the run, the federal government's case against Ayers and his wife, fellow radical Bernadine Dohrn, was thrown out due to illegal wiretaps and prosecutorial misconduct.

    CNN's attempts to contact Ayers for comment were unsuccessful.

    Ayers is now a university professor who lives on the South Side of Chicago, where Obama cut his political teeth. The nature of their relationship has been the subject of discussion all year in the blogosphere, but was dismissed by Obama during a Democratic primary debate earlier this year.

    Obama confirmed during that April debate that he knew Ayers "as a guy who lives in my neighborhood."

    When pressed, Obama said they served on a charitable board together. He also denounced Ayers' support for violence.

    "What they are arguing is that somehow the fact that these two people, who both served as educational reformers in Chicago, both who did have their paths cross professionally as well as neighbors occasionally, that somehow this association is a problem because of Bill Ayers' past and things that happened in the 1960s when Barack Obama was 7 years old," said Anita Dunn, a senior Obama adviser.

    "And that's just wrong and quite unfair."

    But the relationship between Obama and Ayers went deeper, ran longer and was more political than Obama -- and his surrogates -- have revealed, documents and interviews show.

    A review of board minutes and records by CNN show Obama crossed paths repeatedly with Ayers at board meetings of the Annenberg Challenge Project.

    The Annenberg Foundation gave the project a $50 million grant to match local private funds to improve schools, and Ayers fought to bring the grant to Chicago, according to participants and project records.

    The project's organizing committee asked Obama to serve as the board chairman in 1995. Annenberg Project Executive Director Ken Rollings said Ayers was not a member of that ad hoc group when the decision was made.

    For seven years, Ayers and Obama -- among many others -- worked on funding for education projects, including some projects advocated by Ayers.

    "The specific job of the board of directors was to give out the money," said Stanley Kurtz, a conservative researcher for the Ethics and Public Policy Center and frequent Obama critic.

    "Instead of giving money directly to schools, they gave money to what they call external partners and these partners were often pretty radical community organizer groups," said Kurtz, who also has been reviewing the Annenberg Challenge's recently released records.

    The board, for example, gave hundreds of thousands of dollars to Bill Ayers' small schools project. The project promoted alternative education, including projects like the Peace School -- where the curriculum centered on a United Nations theme -- and another school where the focus was African-American studies.

    The funding, according to Kurtz and records CNN reviewed, came directly from the Annenberg foundation which Obama chaired. The project shut down in 2003 after achieving "little impact on school improvement and student outcomes," its final report stated.

    While working on the Annenberg project, Obama and Ayers also served together on a second charitable foundation, the Woods Fund. It was that foundation that Obama referenced in the debate -- not the Annenberg Challenge.

    Among Wood Foundation recipients were the Rev. Jeremiah Wright's Trinity United Church, where Obama attended and was married; and the Children and Family Justice Center, where Ayers' wife Dohrn was director.

    A CNN review of project records found nothing to suggest anything inappropriate in the volunteer projects in which the two men were involved. Read CNN's fact check on Obama's connection to Ayers

    Ayers has strong defenders in Chicago -- including Mayor Richard Daley, who called him "a valued member of the Chicago community."

    The city gave Ayers its Citizen of the Year award in 1997 for his work on the Annenberg project.

    For Obama, the chairmanship of the $100 million Annenberg board helped vault him from a South Side lawyer to political player. And there, too, is an Ayers connection.

    In 1995, months after the little-known Obama became Annenberg chairman, state Sen. Alice Palmer introduced the young lawyer as her political heir apparent. The introduction was made over coffee at the home of Ayers and Dohrn. Two people who attended the event told CNN the introduction of Obama included a solicitation for campaign funds.

    Obama senior aide Dunn said it was just a coincidence the event occurred at the home of the two former Weather Underground members.

    "A Democrat state senator organizes the meeting at the home of one of her supporters," Dunn said. "What is the problem here? It is the worst kind of inference and the worst kind of politics to say that says something about Barack Obama."

    Palmer rarely speaks to reporters. But she recently denied to CNN that she organized the political affair for Obama, although she said she attended.

    Dr. Quentin Young, a longtime physician, now retired, referred to the gathering as the political coming-out party for Obama.

    Young said it was a small group -- maybe a dozen or so people -- who were being introduced to the next senator from Chicago's South Side, and that money was raised for Obama at the event.

    Sunday, senior Obama strategist David Axlerod told CNN that Obama "didn't know the history" of Ayers' notorious past when the political event was held.

    Ayers' past has been well-chronicled and well-known in Chicago. His late father Thomas, a wealthy and prominent executive of the public utility Commonwealth Edison, worked tirelessly and publicly to re-establish his son into Chicago society.

    But the Obama-Ayers connection exploded into the national news Saturday when McCain's running mate, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, accused Obama of "palling around" with a domestic terrorist. The Obama campaign calls the charge "ludicrous," and there is no evidence to show the two men are pals -- although in an interview earlier this year with Politico, Axlerod said the two men were friendly.

    Obama and Ayers had a connection not just through the education and charity boards, but in the area of juvenile justice. Obama praised Ayers' book on the subject in a 1997 Chicago Tribune review, calling it "a searing and timely account of the juvenile court system, and the courageous individuals who rescue hope from despair."
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    In an event organized by Obama's wife Michelle, then-Illinois state Sen. Obama was listed as a panelist along with Ayers on a discussion involving juvenile justice issues.

    At the time, Obama was fighting legislation that would put more juveniles under the purview of adult courts.
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    PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 3:29 pm Reply with quote

    Another one of Obama's projects with far-out, hard left groups.

    I am just as angry at McCain's incompetence and misdoings.

    Both parties are just as senseless, bought out by special interests, and inept. Notice the disaster accelerated by the McCain-Feingold Bill that should be repealed for these unpatriotic self-servers McCain (Republican) and Russ Feingold (Democrat), that opened the way to these 527 groups such as ACORN. Again, these thoughtless people opened the way for the Israeli Lobby and other dangerous foreign and domestic interests to muscle their way into US politics, and all legally. There is absolutely nothing democratic about allowing free reign of hard left and hard right groups having connections and nearly unlimited funding paid domestically by highly misguided dot com moguls, religious groups, and by overseas governments who can't see or much less care about the all-important moderacy of traditional American politics.

    Even Democrat Massachussetts Congressional representative Barney Frank lied through the '90s and 2000s about having just fine credit and other finances with Fannie Mae and Feddie Mac, as a member of their oversight committee, until only very recently (last month) changing his story. His gay lover was one of the top executives of Fannie Mae throughout the 90s.

    Obama cowrote the legislation that empowered ACORN to bully the banks into guaranteeing loans to people with no way to pay them.

    Throw these and other bums out of office!

    ---------

    Fri October 10, 2008

    Thousands of voter registration forms faked, officials say

    From Drew Griffin and Kathleen Johnston
    CNN Special Investigations Unit

    CROWN POINT, Indiana (CNN) -- More than 2,000 voter registration forms filed in northern Indiana's Lake County by a liberal activist group this week have turned out to be bogus, election officials said Thursday.

    The group -- the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, or ACORN -- already faces allegations of filing fraudulent voter registrations in Nevada and faces investigations in other states.

    And in Lake County, home to the long-depressed steel town of Gary, the bipartisan Elections Board has stopped processing a stack of about 5,000 applications delivered just before the October 6 registration deadline after the first 2,100 turned out to be phony.

    "All the signatures looked exactly the same," Ruthann Hoagland, a Republican on the board. "Everything on the card filled out looks exactly the same."

    The forms included registrations submitted in the names of the dead -- and in one case, the name of a fast-food restaurant, Jimmy Johns. Sally LaSota, a Democrat on the board, called the forms fraudulent and said whoever filed them broke the law.

    "ACORN, with its intent, perhaps was good in the beginning, but went awry somewhere," LaSota said.

    Over the past four years, a dozen states have investigated complaints of fraudulent registrations filed by ACORN. On Tuesday, Nevada authorities raided an ACORN office in Las Vegas, Nevada, where workers are accused of registering members of the Dallas Cowboys football team. And the group has become the target of Republican attacks on voter fraud, a perennial GOP issue.

    A subsidiary of the group was paid $800,000 by Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama's campaign to register voters for the 2008 primaries, and ACORN's political wing endorsed Obama back in February. But Obama's campaign told CNN that it "is committed to protecting the integrity of the voting process," and said it has not worked with ACORN during the general election.

    Brian Mellor, an ACORN attorney in Boston, said the group has its own quality-control process and has fired workers in the past -- including workers in Gary. But he said allegations that his organization committed fraud is a government attempt to keep people disenfranchised.

    "We believe their purpose is to attack ACORN and suppress votes," Mellor said. "We believe that by attacking ACORN, they are going to discourage people that have registered to vote with ACORN from voting."

    CNN was unable to reach ACORN officials in Gary and in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, where the group's Indiana operation is based. Offices in both cities were empty when reporters visited.

    Lake County elections officials have set aside all 5,000 of the ACORN-submitted applications in what Hoagland called the "fake pile" for later review. But she said every one will be reviewed before the election to make sure no legitimate voters are skipped.

    There has been no evidence of voter fraud yet, because voters have yet to go to the polls. But elections officials say they will be sending their information to prosecutors, who will determine whether any investigation will begin.

    "We have no idea what the motive behind it is," she said. "It's just overwhelming to us."
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    PostPosted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 10:53 pm Reply with quote

    Nothing to say about Grav's points 1-4 though huh? Instead of rebutting valid, true statements it always goes to something about Palin. Why not dispute all these things that are so evident about the Obama Man?



    Some specifics on ACORN:

    Connecticut: local investigators are reviewing numerous reports of registration fraud committed by ACORN, including one case where a 7 year-old girl was registered to vote.

    Florida: ACORN submitted hundreds of duplicate registrations to the Seminole County Supervisor of Elections.

    Indiana: Almost half of the 5,000 registrations submitted by ACORN in Gary have been rejected for fraud and other irregularities.

    Missouri: ACORN is being blamed for hundreds of bogus and duplication registration applications that are "bogging down the system."

    Nevada: The Las Vegas office of ACORN was raided by state law enforcement for its alleged involvement in voter fraud. In addition to registering the Dallas Cowboys starting line-up, ACORN also used prison inmates through a work release program to conduct voter registration activities.

    New Mexico: ACORN was exposed for employing numerous felons to collect voter registrations including sex offenders and persons accused of identity theft. The FBI is currently investigating 1,400 registrations.

    Ohio: ACORN admitted to Cuyahoga County election officials that it cannot eliminate fraud from its operation. The Board has been investigating ACORN registrations since August.

    Pennsylvania: Thousands of ACORN registrations have been turned over to federal authorities for investigation.

    Wisconsin: 39 ACORN employees are under investigation for registration fraud and 2 have already been indicted.


    The investigation continues.......
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    Graviton
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    PostPosted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 5:43 pm Reply with quote

    All of those states are swing vote states (near balance) that can traditionally topple the election in either's favor.
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    PostPosted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 6:19 pm Reply with quote

    Blake wrote:
    Nothing to say about Grav's points 1-4 though huh? Instead of rebutting valid, true statements it always goes to something about Palin. Why not dispute all these things that are so evident about the Obama Man?


    Grav points and his accusation refering to Obama as part of the extreme left is difficult to sustain when a Republican president just turned to socialist measures to try to save the nation's financial system. Also the alleged fraud is only on the registration NOT actual votes, so if say Mickey Mouse does show up to vote for Obama his right to vote would have been already supressed by the Republicans because of being black Laughing . This practice of making lists targeting certain racial and economic characteristics to prevent them from voting is the REAL fraud, is massive and has already stolen the presidency at least one time (2000).

    http://www.findingdulcinea.com/news/politics/September-October-08/Foreclosures-Lead-to-Allegations-of-Planned-Voter-Suppression.html

    Now that the Republicans have all but bankrupted the nation you can feel on the streets and on the polls that despite McCain's smear attacks, Obama will win by a landslide (absent a mayor fraud), people are really tired of the failed regime and Obama has a lot of support.

    Bush:






    OBAMA:


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    Graviton
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    PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 10:49 pm Reply with quote

    Wrong again, Teller.

    I also bashed both parties in balance of opinion. Again, here is a reminder. Just because I started out with Obama does not exclude the ineptitude of McCain to deal with our problems.

    Bush won that election fairly. In fact, the presiding judge who determined the absentee (overseas preregistered) military voter ballots from overseas were completely valid, had democratic leanings. Gore tried to suppress these military votes in fraudulent style, and lost by the military votes tipping the balance to Bush.

    Has anyone else ever noticed why those antiwar candidates are not stupid enough to again insult the troops voting from overseas? They vote in huge numbers, and antiwar candidates learned a big lesson from Gore's bunglings in the 2000 election.

    To top things off, the presiding federal judge in the decision of these voter validations was none other than an appointee of Bill Clinton, in which Gore was vice president.

    These are the facts.

    Can't someone else agree with me that BOTH GW Bush and Al Gore are political turkeys? The same goes for our current candidates from both parties.

    Wink


    One more:

    http://www.palinaspresident.us/

    Very Happy

    Sound required.

    Click on the red phone and other objects. Try the left door a few times. Very Happy

    We need an Obama version too.
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    PostPosted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 5:52 am Reply with quote

    Teller25 wrote:
    Blake wrote:
    Nothing to say about Grav's points 1-4 though huh? Instead of rebutting valid, true statements it always goes to something about Palin. Why not dispute all these things that are so evident about the Obama Man?


    Grav points and his accusation refering to Obama as part of the extreme left is difficult to sustain when a Republican president just turned to socialist measures to try to save the nation's financial system. Also the alleged fraud is only on the registration NOT actual votes, so if say Mickey Mouse does show up to vote for Obama his right to vote would have been already supressed by the Republicans because of being black Laughing . This practice of making lists targeting certain racial and economic characteristics to prevent them from voting is the REAL fraud, is massive and has already stolen the presidency at least one time (2000).

    Although I can't argue against your comment about McCain
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    to say that BHO isn't extreme left quite frankly, is beyond laughable



    Now that the Republicans have all but bankrupted the nation you can feel on the streets and on the polls that despite McCain's smear attacks, Obama will win by a landslide (absent a mayor fraud), people are really tired of the failed regime and Obama has a lot of support.

    No budget can be passed without the approval of Nancy Pelosi and her group of the lowest rated Congress in the history of Congressional ratings. This whole notion of the entire financial mess being the result soley of the last 8 years of a Republican controlled White House again, Teller, is beyond laughable.


    Let me follow one of Teller's favorite tactics and mention the only reason BHO is ahead in any poll is because ABC, NBC, CBS, CNBC, MSNBC, CNN, The New York Times, The Washington Post, The Los Angeles Times, and a host of other outlets are completely in the tank for him. Even people on the street in Harlem don't know why they like him, or at least can't tell you a damn thing he stands for. Link
    Bush:






    These are the "progressive", tolerant, socially advanced liberal democrats. Laughing



    Graviton wrote:
    Can't someone else agree with me that BOTH GW Bush and Al Gore are political turkeys? The same goes for our current candidates from both parties.


    Yes I can. Both parties are flawed by design. Each serve to retain power by dividing Americans against each other while claiming to have no responsibility for any of the absurd things that happen in Washington. While I have no interest in reaching across the isle to make nice, and allow people who I fundamentally disagree with help make policy, I don't intrinsically hate Democrats.


    Some of you may have read this already, it's by Charlie Reese, a former columnist of the Orlando Sentinel. Orlando is in central Florida. For those not familiar, it's where Disney World is. Not that it has anything whatsoever to do with the email, but I digress.





    545 People By Charlie Reese

    Politicians are the only people in the world who create problems and then campaign against them. Have you ever wondered why, if both the Democrats and the Republicans are against deficits, we have deficits? Have you ever wondered why, if all the politicians are against inflation and high taxes, we have inflation and high taxes?

    You and I donít propose a federal budget. The president does. You and I donít have the Constitutional authority to vote on appropriations. The House of Representatives does.

    You and I donít write the tax code, Congess does. You and I donít set fiscal policy, Congress does. You and I donít control monetary policy, The Federal Reserve Bank does.

    One hundred senators, 435 congressmen, one president and nine Supreme Court justices - 545 human beings out of the 300 million - are directly, legally, morally and individually responsible for the domestic problems that plague this country.

    I excluded the members of the Federal Reserve Board because that problem was created by the Congress. In 1913, Congress delegated its Constitutional duty to provide a sound currency to a federally chartered but private central bank.

    I excluded all the special interests and lobbyists for a sound reason. They have no legal authority. They have no ability to coerce a senator, a congressman or a president to do one cotton-picking thing. I donít care if they offer a politician $1 million dollars in cash. The politician has the power to accept or reject it. No matter what the lobbyist promises, it is the legislatorís responsibility to determine how he votes.

    Those 545 human beings spend much of their energy convincing you that what they did is not their fault. They cooperate in this common con regardless of party.

    What separates a politician from a normal human being is an excessive amount of gall. No normal human being would have the gall of a Speaker, who stood up and criticized the President for creating deficits.

    The president can only propose a budget. He cannot force the Congress to accept it. The Constitution, which is the supreme law of the land, gives sole responsibility to the House of Representatives for originating and approving appropriations and taxes.

    Who is the speaker of the House? She is the leader of the majority party. She and fellow House members, not the president, can approve any budget they want. If the president vetoes it, they can pass it over his veto if they agree to.

    It seems inconceivable to me that a nation of 300 million cannot replace 545 people who stand convicted ó by present facts - of incompetence and irresponsibility. I canít think of a single domestic problem that is not traceable directly to those 545 people.

    When you fully grasp the plain truth that 545 people exercise the power of the federal government, then it must follow that what exists is what they want to exist.

    If the tax code is unfair, itís because they want it unfair.

    If the budget is in the red, itís because they want it in the red.

    If the Marines are in IRAQ, itís because they want them in IRAQ.

    If they do not receive social security but are on an elite retirement plan not available to the people, itís because they want it that way.

    There are no insoluble government problems.

    Do not let these 545 people shift the blame to bureaucrats, whom they hire and whose jobs they can abolish; to lobbyists, whose gifts and advice they can reject; to regulators, to whom they give the power to regulate and from whom they can take this power.

    Above all, do not let them con you into the belief that there exists disembodied mystical forces like Ďthe economy,í Ďinflationí or Ďpoliticsí that prevent them from doing what they take an oath to do.

    Those 545 people, and they alone, are responsible. They, and they alone, have the power. They, and they alone, should be held accountable by the people who are their bosses - provided the voters have the gumption to manage their own employees.

    We should vote all of them out of office and clean up their mess!
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    Graviton
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    PostPosted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 5:24 pm Reply with quote

    One insurmountable point in consideration of this Reese article: pork politics.

    Most of the worst are the oldtimers who spent too many years as Washington elitists to even look beyond their noses to care about what is good for the country. They deliver among the worst pork spending in history, and buy their way back into office.

    Bicameral politics is always best in my view, as long as they remain moderate. There always must be dissent against the majority, provided that the parties do NOT become far too much alike under the I$raeli Lobby, neocons, Euro far-left Soros sorts of imports -- recall in 2004 how his MoveOn.org 527 group bragged that Soros owned the Democratic Party -- and other poltical corruptions.

    This is a explicit FACT. Obama is the most leftist member of the Senate, based on a nonpartisan rating analysis group:

    http://nj.nationaljournal.com/voteratings/#

    Extremism is not based on who is willing to resort drastic measures to rule the nation, either through polemics, militancy, or outright corruption. USA extremism, the only valid definition applicable to USA politics, is about fundamental shifts steering USA away from political moderacy, discrediting the importance of moderacy and respecting mutual input on issues on BOTH sides of the moderate spectrum. Moderates therefore favor a broader system of benefactors and concerns and eliminating a power base for extemism, including influences of European socialist plutocrats (like Soros) or grassroots socialist polemics of the lower socioeconomic and minority classes, including illegal immigrants. Extremism also discredits practical measures of reality, like the fact that there is no such thing as "free" and affordable quality healthcare or housing for everyone, or not even most, based on hugely tested economic principles.
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    bueschu
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    PostPosted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 10:23 am Reply with quote

    What I find strange, Grav: You like to strike a blow for the "moderates", yet if you refer to extremists, it's always those on the left side of the spectrum: Socialists, liberals, greens, foreign and domestic plutocrats. Even the neocons are socialists in disguise in your eyes.
    What about stubborn Southstaters who don't elect Obama because he's a "muslim", although they actually mean "nigger"? What about narrow minded evangelicals who go nuts like cheerleaders and chant "Death! Death!" when the obviously incapable Sarah Palin calls her political opponents "terrorists"? And what when a college student shoots 30 people and self-proclaimed guardians of liberty call for laxer gun-laws? My point is: Don't let your right eye be blinded by dull anti-socialism. If the most radical thing the american left does is calling for affordable housing for everybody, then I prefer it a hundred times over people like Palin.
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